RS:
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Dave, you say you don't have the patience to do knowledge consulting work anymore. Why is that? |
Me:
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Well, I've recently been doing a lot of research and reading on the
state of the world and on human nature, and I've come to the conclusion that
we are living in the last century of human civilization. So I've become
a little impatient with projects I don't think are that important in
the larger scheme of things. |
RS:
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(strange
look) Wow, that's a depressing thought. It must be tough to do anything
with that negative a perspective on life and the future.
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Me:
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Actually,
it's very liberating, and I'm more at peace than I have been at any
time in my life. Because I've come to believe that the end of
civilization is something we can't do anything about, nor is it
anybody's 'fault', or even necessarily a bad thing. As Canadian
archaeologist Ronald Wright says, if we destroy the ecosystem that
sustains us "nature will
merely shrug and conclude that letting apes run the laboratory was fun
for a while but in the end a bad idea". |
RS:
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Why
don't you think anything can be done about it, and that it's nobody's
fault? That seems peculiarly fatalistic for someone as driven as you
are.
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Me:
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Nothing
can be done about it because we are wrong in the uniquely human conceit
that we are in charge of our own destiny and that there is some kind of
collective politic and collective intelligence and 'free will' that can
be harnessed to move us all in a chosen direction. We are nothing more
or less than six billion creatures individually doing what we are
driven to do moment by moment. We have been driven to overpopulate and
despoil the planet and exhaust its resources by our DNA, and in so
doing we are merely following Darwin's law: Fierce, adaptable creatures
flourish. And man is the fiercest and (next to bacteria, viruses,
insects and birds, which palaeontologists believe are the four species
likely to inherit the Earth when we are gone), the most adaptable the
planet has ever seen. And how can we blame man for just being what he
is?
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RS:
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But
surely you accept that man has evolved, and adapted himself, and
introduced technologies that have made his life immeasurably better?
Why don't you think human ingenuity will allow us to evolve to solve
the problems we are facing today as it has in the past?
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Me:
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Technology
and ingenuity have never solved problems, other than those created by
previous technology and ingenuity. The greatest example of human
ingenuity is the eradication of smallpox, a disease that had killed a
billion humans. But smallpox was merely nature's response to human
overcrowding and poverty, which were in turn consequences of a previous
ingenious human technology called agriculture. Technology and ingenuity
have merely allowed our species to be more 'successful' in the
evolutionary sense: To reproduce more of ourselves. There is growing
evidence that we were much happier and much healthier before
civilization began, when we lived as gatherer-hunters in harmony with,
and integrated with, the rest of life on Earth. In those days the
probability of being eaten by a large carnivore at any random point in
one's life was accepted with the equanimity with which we now accept a
more protracted death at the unhealthiest and most unpleasant end of a
longer, more predictable 'civilized' life.
We are simply running out of space and time for evermore expensive and
evermore convoluted technologies to be applied to fix the problems that
the last generation of technologies created. The Earth is finite,
species die-off is already occurring at a rate comparable to that of
the six previous major extinction events of our planet, and although we
have some heavy hitters on 'our' side, nature always bats last.
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RS:
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Well
if you really believe that I can't see how you can get engaged in
projects like AHA! and business innovation and your writing projects.
If we're going to be gone in a century, what's the point?
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Me:
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That's
exactly the point. If we're going to be gone in a century, why not live
in the moment, use every minute to do what gives your life purpose and
meaning and pleasure right now?
For me that means learning something new every day, it means helping
others, it means getting back in touch with my animal nature:
reconnecting to the Earth and all its life and spending time just being, opening up all my senses, feeling, being happy to be alive and healthy and right here right now, and trusting my instincts.
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RS:
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So
you believe man is on the verge of exterminating himself and much of
the life of the planet, but you're not going to do anything about it?
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Me:
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On the
contrary, I'm going to do everything I can, short of murder or suicide,
to try to help avert it, and to reduce the horrific suffering that
civilization is inflicting on all life on our planet. I'm just
philosophical about the fact that nothing I do or anyone else does has
significant likelihood of changing the endgame, so I'm not going to
beat myself up about failure, and I'm not going to feel guilty about
just living in the moment and being happy.
One thing I will invest considerable time in is talking with my two
granddaughters so they have an idea what they are facing, since they
are more likely than we are to face the brunt of civilization's
collapse in their lifetime. I will try to be a role model for them, so
that they too will try to do their best to alleviate suffering and
avert the end of man, and in the meantime they will live full,
passionate, informed, guilt-free and open lives. I hope they will love
themselves and many other people without limit or condition or
restraint, and that they will come to love learning as much as I do.
And hopefully they will not blame anyone for the fact that, as EO
Wilson put it, with man, "Darwin's dice have rolled badly for Earth".
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RS:
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(exasperated
look) I think if I believed that I'd become a nihilist or a survivalist
or a hedonist and lose myself in sex, drugs and rock & roll.
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Me:
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Well if
you have to choose one of those I'd strongly recommend hedonism, in its
original sense of pleasure-seeking rather than the more modern sense of
extravagance. There's lots of evidence that really good drugs can help
you escape the straitjacket of cultural thinking and liberate you and
reconnect you to Earth. Most such drugs are probably illegal for
precisely that reason. And a six-hour marathon of sex has much to
recommend it for reconnecting with your senses and your animal nature.
And music is wonderful for stirring the memory and the soul, and is
man's greatest invention, the only one he hasn't subsequently had to
invent a cure for.
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RS:
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I
know you've written that you think traditional problems like nuclear or
biological war or disease are greater threats to man than natural
disasters that result from global warming. But don't you think if there
is a runaway war or disease the people left will just rebuild
civilization all over again?
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Me:
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From
what I've read, populations going through extinction events follow a
'normal' curve -- after an accelerating rise they go through a similar
rapid decline, and then just tail off slowly to complete extinction. We
have become so dependent on civilization -- almost like perpetual
children -- that we don't know how to live without it. The survivors
will be so helpless without all the constructs we are now hardwired to
base our lives on, that I doubt they will be able to adapt quickly
enough to survive. The predator that ultimately causes the collapse --
whether it be a new disease, bioterror agent or a nuclear winter --
will continue to inflict casualties on the survivors, and prevent them
from getting a new foothold. So, no, I don't think there will be a
rising of man from the ashes, and for that reason I don't think there's
any point in writing messages for the 'next civilization' and burying
them underground to be found After the Fall.
And the birds, insects, viruses and bacteria won't have much use for them.
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RS:
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How about space travel? Or communicating with some advanced alien species which could save us from ourselves?
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Me:
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We got
lucky with the development of nuclear weapons just at the time when
they served as a deterrent rather than a destroyer of the planet. We're
extremely unlikely to be so lucky in stumbling on a technology that
will allow us to escape our mess on Earth in sufficient numbers with
sufficient time to find another inhabitable planet. And probability
experts say the likelihood of verterbrate life (let alone a life form
we could recognize as 'intelligent' and communicate with, or vice
versa) emerging anywhere in the universe from the primordial soup is
about one in sixty billion, so SETI is even more delusional than
betting your life on winning the lottery. We should focus our attention
instead on learning from the very intelligent and sensitive non-human
life all around us.
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RS:
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So
why write then? Why try to set up your AHA! Learning & Discovery
Centre? Why work so hard to help people become more innovative and more
entrepreneurial?
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Me:
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Because
that's who I am. That's what I was meant to do. Just like the other six
billion on the planet and the fifty billion who preceded them, I'm just
playing out the role that was written for me in my DNA. I only wish I
hadn't been distracted for so many years from realizing what my role
is. We don't really do what we can. We do what we must.
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